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fitnessgal:
How do you make sure you get enough B12?  I was thinking about taking a supplement???
Thanks, Fitnessgal

tanawana:
Get tested -or- simply try a supplement for a few days to a week perhaps, if you feel better you needed it, if not or you feel the same, don't worry then.  :)
Dr. Graham mentioned this method once if that helps.

Miracle-Ace:
Remember B12 is only found in animal products (at least bio-available B12)
Its possible that some people have a better capability to produce B12 in their own bodies and therefore may not need as much (or any?) from outside sources.

I feel that a fruitarian taking supplements is, in a way, pointless.
How can eating only fruit be best for the human body if you have to take pills to supplement?
A bit of a contradiction there I think.

B12 Deficiency is very serious and signs include various mental illnesses and paranoia,
infertility and other degenerative dis-eases.
This, and a weight-loss thing, concerns me and is why I haven't yet gone 100% fruit for any long period.
Still, I look at many long term fruitarians who are of course in great health,
Which takes us back to my earlier point - that some people's body may produce B12 and
not need it from outside sources, but this is just one thing to ponder.

The best source of B12 is most likely raw milk,
Not an option for the fruitarian,
However more natural than a pill inoculated with bacteria.  

Good fortune to you in walking the fruity path.  8)

seand:
b12 is produced by bacteria.  deficiency in this essential nutrient is an issue equally for consumers of animal products and vegans.  animal products do not produce, nor are they the source for b12.  a cow gets all its b12 from grass and dirt.

we live in a world where we peel our vegetables, scrub all bits of dirt off our fruits, drink and brush our teeth with processed chlorinated water, use house cleaning solutions, all with the goal of removing any and all bacteria - including b12.

it would be all around us in a more natural setting, or even if we didn't have a phobia of bacteria.  there is the full RDA amount of b12 in just two pints of unprocessed spring water, before it is chemically treated and bottled and put on the shelf for a year.

Wo Dao:
If you want some other odd and angry opinions...here's one of my favorites from another local person in my city, whereas I took his quote from another forum. Just see my posting as sarcasm, also something to think about, in case of you overthink this whole thing.  ;)



--- Quote ---I've always thought that this B12 thing is a load of crap. Talk to those vegans who were living before anyone had even discovered vitamins. I remember Howard Lyman recounting a story of a conversation with a 90+ year old very healthy fit vegan since very young and her response to ‘what about vitamins?’ was ‘I never really thought about them.’

It was scurvy that prompted the investigation into the existence of vitamins in the first place, a completely unnatural lifestyle of living at sea for long periods. Or what about those Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement (vegans) who do not believe in taking vitamins. They are all fine. I suppose since things have become so sterile these days that there just might be a lack of B12 with some people. Drinking water sterile, food sprayed with bacterial pest and fungal killing agents, few people actually touch dirt anymore let alone consume, and so forth.

But why vegans? Is meat such a magical food that it gives these meat-eaters everything they would ever need? Vegans are constantly bombarded with questions of -- where do you get this and that, what about protein, what about this vitamin or that one… because I don’t have to worry because I eat magical meat, which includes everything in the universe which a human could ever want or need. I will say here and now that let’s test vegans agains everyday meat eaters and see what the difference is. I’m willing to bet that meat eaters are no different. Think of the antibiotics in the meat killing the natural bacteria in the gut that produces B12. Ooooh, scarry, that must be a factor which would require B12 shots for certain. What about all those people popping antibiotic pills all over the planet? They are in need of B12 shots too, because their gut has been sterilized and the natural flora bacteria needs to rejuvenate before recovery. What about fortified milk products? Same thing. People eating animal products are deficient of vitamins and require fortified products such as milk, cereals, flour, etc.

What do I do for B12 after being vegan since 1991? Nothing. It would be difficult to avoid VB12 these days, especially with all these bloody fortified products out there, from cereals, to soy and rice drinks, to this and that… it’s crap and I don’t want it force-fed to me! What about the China Study? I haven’t read it, but I do know that there are a LOT of vegetarians in China, and that means Vegan over there. There is none of this “I’m vegetarian but I drink milk or eat fish or chicken” -- either you are or you aren’t, and none of these people have any problems, so why should we? It’s all medical paranoia propaganda. I’ve read it in ever-single medical book on the subject and nowhere else but in cases of regurgitation.

I eat fermented foods of all kinds, and use nutritional yeast in certain meals, all kinds of seaweeds, I think certain mushrooms have B12(?) as I eat many kinds of those too, and the odd fortified beverage or odd Yves product… they all have B12. Not to mention my mouth and gut have B12, and so do the outers of the vegetables from our garden and fruit from our trees... it’s all over. Plus, I would assume that low B12 is not a problem with vegans. Vegans are also said to be low in iron or hemoglobin but we are being compared to the “normal/average” Canadian, no an idealistic authentic fully natural human.

OK, just ranting here without thinking ahead or back or anything, what have people to say?
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It's good of you to be looking up on this, but I'll be bluntly honest: there are those out there who love to shove fear-mongering, how "b12 is ONLY in animal products, and it MUST be consumed, or you'll die, etc etc." which is such an annoying bias that I have been witnessing for the past 2-3 years.

But yeah, from my odd encounters, b12's in the gut. Just don't go eating 14 avocados (rather OVEREATING avocados/fats) like I did, otherwise, there's bound to be a temporary, yet...very painful problem. The problem? I'd say blockage from absorption due to overeating for the "heck of it."

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