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Re: Jeff’s experimental 100% fruit diet
« Reply #570 on: February 02, 2012, 04:48:05 am »

Jenny - I have almost always had 1-2 meals per day (usually 2).  I think I have a big stomach and have always been able to eat a lot.  This is why, when eating a SAD diet, I always found it very easy to gain weight.  The only exception to 1-2 meals per day I can think of was when I was training for an ultramarathon a few years ago.  I got up to running 180 miles per week.  Then I was eating 3 meals a day.   :)
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« Reply #571 on: February 02, 2012, 10:40:19 pm »

Wow :o! So I guess for you having 1-2 meals per day comes naturally

How did the ultramarathon go? And how long was it? Jenny
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« Reply #572 on: February 03, 2012, 03:16:03 am »

Jenny - I've run a total of 5 ultramarathons.  I did 2 in 2007 (one 50-miler and one 100-miler) and 3 in 2008 (two 50s and one 100).  The ultrarunning went a lot better in 2008 than it did in 2007.  I actually finished 2nd in the 100 mile race in 2008 while eating a low fat raw vegan diet without overt fat.  The ultrarunning was fun, but the training took a lot of time.  And then Rose was born at the beginning of 2009.  This caused a big shift in my priorities, and I haven't raced since. 

Now that Rose is getting older, it might be fun for me to race again.  For me there is the nearby Santa Clarita marathon held in November.  I might train for that.    :)
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« Reply #573 on: February 03, 2012, 05:28:14 am »

how many calories are you averaging on a typical day? =]
« Last Edit: February 03, 2012, 05:34:18 am by Fruitmama »
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« Reply #574 on: February 04, 2012, 05:05:16 am »

I'd guess 2000-3000 calories most days. 
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« Reply #575 on: February 05, 2012, 04:16:35 am »

Hi Jeff,

That's certainly inspiring about your ultramarathons! The training must be a big commitment. I've had some thoughts about doing a marathon but haven't done anything about it. Thinking about it makes me feel quite scared and at the same time it attracts me because it would be such a physical and mental achievement. Maybe it would be good to start with a half marathon or even less. About 18 months ago I read "Born To Run" by Christopher McDougall & "Barefoot Running" by Michael Sandler. The first book is about the ultramarathon which I found to be a great read, and second is more of an instructional book. I have some concerns about barefoot running over longer distance. I used to run for an hour last summer and had some soreness on my feet which may have been related to my technique or adjusting to barefeet. This summer I've been going for half hour with no problems. To increase my time I could run part way with shoes and then take them off for last half until I get some confidence back. I've been very inconsistent with my running over past 12 months and I really want to change that :D.

How long would you train for a marathon? Would you follow a plan that you made or suggestion from another?

Take care,
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« Reply #576 on: February 05, 2012, 06:18:49 am »

Hi Jenny, Jeff,

All this talk of running...must be in the air or in the stars or something. Until recently, I have never been into running, other than brief jogging or sprinting during my hikes. I was very fast in my youth, but was never tempted to run more than a mile or so at time--usually less.  So, I find it interesting that, for some mysterious reason, I have recently registered for my first race ever --- nine mile (yikes!) --- up and down a mountain, no less (double yikes!).  Now, I have to start training.   Not only that, if I survive, my plan is to participate in longer races and to eventually run my first marathon by the end of the year. I don't know how realistic this is, given my history.  Any suggestions for novice would be appreciated. 
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« Reply #577 on: February 05, 2012, 01:31:34 pm »

Hi Rudy,

best of luck with your training! I am not a runner, but I did quite a bit of running in the past, before becoming a yoga addict  ;)
The only thing I would recommend is not to save money on a good pair of running shoes, it's money well invested for the safety of your knees!  :)
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« Reply #578 on: February 05, 2012, 04:42:11 pm »

Jenny & Rudy - In the past I've found that I can go from inactivity to pretty good running shape for ultramarathons in 3-4 months.  But this was after I was already pretty experienced.  When increasing mileage for the first time, I definitely think it is wise to ramp up much more slowly.  Trying to do too much too fast will result in injury.  I too have an interest in barefoot running.  I've run up to an hour at a time barefoot.  But I've never ran a race barefoot.  I would like to try that sometime.  When it comes to running shoes, I take a "minimal" approach.  I've tried wearing the big & heavy "trainer" type running shoes, and I always seemed to get injured in them.  I've had more luck avoiding injury wearing lighter shoes which allow one to more closely mimic a barefoot stride.   
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« Reply #579 on: February 05, 2012, 04:48:01 pm »

All of the food this week was organic and it was all consumed whole (no juicing, no blending, as usual):

1/30 – tomatoes, 2 pomegranates, 6 bananas.
1/31 – tomatoes, 1 pineapple, 2 pomegranates, 10 bananas.
2/1 – tomatoes, 1 pineapple, 2 pomegranates, 11 bananas.
2/2 – tomatoes, 4 pomegranates, 10 bananas.
2/3 – tomatoes, 4 pomegranates, 10 bananas.
2/4 – 4 pomegranates, 10 bananas.
2/5 – 4 pomegranates, 10 bananas.

So I ate bananas every day this week.  This is the first bananas I’ve eaten since last May, I believe (I’d have to go back and look at all these past posts to double check my lack of banana consumption, but I’m pretty sure this is right.).  I’ve been eating the organic Cavendish bananas from the local wholesaler.  After a week of eating ~10 per day, I’m already tiring of them.  I have trouble using Cavendish bananas as a staple for long periods of time.  I just don’t enjoy them that much. 

As I often do, now I’ll write about something completely different.  I have strongly felt for many years that fathers who leave their partners and aren’t involved in their children’s lives are doing a terrible thing to their children in particular and society in general.  My younger sister lives in Ohio.  We don’t see eye to eye on many things, and aren’t very close.  But a few months ago I heard from my parents that her husband wants a divorce.  The worst part is that they have a one-year-old son.  And apparently since their split he hasn’t spent any time with his son.  (If you ask me, there were some warning signs even when they were dating that this guy might do something like this, and my sister chose to ignore them…but this is beside the point.)   

So, this recent example in my own family has caused me to think a little bit more about this: exactly why is it so bad when fathers aren’t involved in the lives of their children?  This is what I’ve been able to come up with (I’ve read some psychology over the past couple years, and I think I may have read this somewhere before, but I’m not sure when or where or even if, and it reoccurred to me the other day and makes good sense to me):

Obviously when a child is born, they have no idea what type of society they’ve been born into.  Some societies are peaceful, and others are quite violent.  Certainly different skill sets are more helpful for survival in different sorts of societies.  A child which is able to deduce the type of society it lives in at an earlier age will be at an advantage when compared with other children because then it will be better able to hone the skills more likely to be beneficial for survival. 

Mothers in all types of societies will be there to raise their children, except in very rare instances.  However, whether or not the dad is around to help with the child-raising is an indication of the type of society the child has been born into.  Basically the idea is that, when the dad is there for the child it indicates a peaceful society, whereas it is an indication of a violent society when the dad isn’t there to help raise the children.  For this reason, boys raised without their fathers will tend to be more violent, and girls raised without their fathers will tend to be more attracted to violent sorts of guys (and the girls might be more violent too).  I think there are some statistics for child behavior in different household environments to support this conjecture.  And the implication is that one way to help the world become a more peaceful place is for fathers to stay involved with their children.  What do you think?

Take care,
Jeff  :)
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Re: Jeff’s experimental 100% fruit diet
« Reply #580 on: February 05, 2012, 05:11:15 pm »

Hi Jeff,

Here is my own story in brief.

Mom get pregnant from a man she has only known for 9 months. He is not interested in raising a child and offers to fly her to Sweden for an abortion (this was 1970 and no access to abortion in the US). She has a good profession and can afford to raise me, so she refuses his offer. I am raised by my mother as a "latch key kid." My mother works full time as a dental hygienist my whole childhood. I come home after school and take care of myself for 3 hours before she gets off work. She is a fantastic mother in the sense that she loves me, tells me so every day, and is very stable emotionally. She fills my head with all sorts of positive thought about myself. I always wonder who my father was, but he cannot be located (he had a habit of disappearing off and on). When I am 13, his parents finally find him. He lives 3,000 mile from me, so I don't get to meet him right away. I finally have an opportunity to meet him when I am 16. I was so glad to finally be able to put a face to the big unknown that had hovered in the background of my life for so long. I was also able to see what an incredible blessing it was that he did not stay in my life and had absolutely nothing to do with raising me. I got to see him in action with my half brother who was a 1 year and half younger than me and with his then girlfriend's 6 year old daughter and he was a real jerk to them. His girlfriend was pregnant with what became his 4th child, (each my a different woman). I can honestly say that having a father like him around would not have been any kind of asset to me and it probably would have made me a very different person than I am today. I understand what you are trying to say in a general way on a social level, but I really think it depends on who the parents are as individuals. 
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« Reply #581 on: February 05, 2012, 08:30:54 pm »

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the tips about training. Slowly increasing distance makes sense for me at this point.

I agree with you about shoes - the lighter the better. Some athletes have been tested with this and it seems that lighter footwear makes for less injuries. Of course the big shoe companies will probably say otherwise...

It will be interesting to hear about any barefoot running you do in future. I was thinking in winter I may be better off to do my runs in afternoon due to the cold in morning. I find it amazing that some people do the barefooting in snow! We don't get snow here so don't have to worry about that. Hopefully I will be more aclimatised this winter being my second winter of barefooting ;)d.

Hi Rudy,

Good luck with your 9 mile run! When is the race? How exciting :o!

I feel that this may be better timing for me as well with my running. It's interesting I was talking to someone on ward today and she has run 5 marathons in her life and triathlon. I didn't bring the topic up so I felt more inspired again & wondered if there was something more to my dream of running a marathon. Perhaps we could encourage each other on forum.

Take care,
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« Reply #582 on: February 06, 2012, 12:24:26 pm »

Thank you Jeff, Roberta and Jenny for the suggestions and encouragement.
 
Jenny, to answer your question, the 9-mile race is scheduled for April 14, so I have ample time to prepare, which I should obviously do, since I rarely run more than 5 minutes at a time. I will start seriously training any day now. 
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« Reply #583 on: February 06, 2012, 02:12:21 pm »

Hi Jeff,
Interesting topic.  I hadn't considered the aspect of fathers being more present in a peaceful society.  Certainly children do best with at least one doting/attentive care giver, be it mother, grandmother, father, etc.  There are many single moms in my area, but they almost always live with family, who pitch in to help with child care, often a grandmother or cousin, while single mom works or goes to school.  The slightly richer ones all have nannies, even in two parent or family homes and even if the mother doesn't work, so there will always be one full set of eyes on the child(ren)... at least in theory.  (Biological parents seem to be the most attentive and hired help never looks that enthusiastic -to me).

I think the beauty of two parents is the balance it provides between the sexes, sort of yin/yang.  It doesn't have to be lacking with a well balanced single parent (like Esmee shared <3) but it often is.  I know a single father who raised his daughter from babyhood to adulthood, and he felt there were certain things he just couldn't relate to, issues he didn't understand and support he couldn't give.  Similarly my best friend was raised by a single mom and was one of three sisters.  They were all very close, but there was a lot of mystery about males, social discomfort and later an inability to judge what was ideal in a future mate.... but the love is really what matters and special individuals can do a great job raising their children.

Esmee, thanks for sharing your story!  Your mom sounds like a beautiful person, very brave and strong to raise a child on her own, and she did a super job!  I think that independence that you got, being a latch key kid, was beneficial - giving you confidence and freedom.  There's more fear these days around children taking care of themselves, going to the corner store to make a purchase, riding public transportation... and I think that fear can be limiting and harmful.  My parents both had full time jobs during my pre-teen and teen years and I loved having the time to myself after school, before they came home :)

Best Wishes,
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« Reply #584 on: February 06, 2012, 05:38:57 pm »

Hi Jeff,

I think it makes sense that it is the ideal for fathers to be around for their children. I've heard that even in cases where there is conflict this still has a better outcome, in the main, than not having a relationship at all or abandoning it.

I've also heard that children who have friendships with both sexes will have better relationships with opposite sex as adults and probably have more success at long term romantic relationship. Having said that I had a great friendship with a boy growing up (a family friend) and my marriage still broke up. So there probably are many factors involved. Funnily enough my best friend now is with a man and their are no romantic inclinations between us at all. I have a strong friendship with a female as well but we don't see each other as often. 8)

On a personal level I'm really glad in the long term that my boys have good ongoing relationships with me and their dad. He is obviously interested in their lives because he has always wanted to have them 50% and probably more if this were possible. I'm also pleased that they have cousins of both sexes so they hopefully get some balance when they meet up.

They have all been able to get some time on their own at home and I agree with Sunmaiden that once in their teens they can appreciate ^-^ this "quiet time". When I see what children are capable of when given responsibility, and in some circumstances where it is expected of them, I am amazed at what they are capable of. I think that we do sometimes overprotect or mollycoddle our children in the west and it would mainly come from the parent & societies fears.

I wish all the best to your sister and her family. Maybe the dad will come around to realising time with his son is important. Often when there is a break up there is a lot of anger  >:( to pass before things settle down.

Take care,
Jenny <3 <3 <3
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